It almost all chipped off. I let the shellac fully cure and then apply a top coat of General Finish milk paint, but no crackling happens. What you don't want to try is using oil-based paint over latex paint, as it won't bond very well. Doing this will keep the paint thin … Latex will peel varnish badly, it shrinks more in the cold winter weather and literally rips the varnish off the wood. Can’t wait to try it! I’m redoing something that will be outside. Any oil or latex paint can be applied over it. Paint is a bit slippery over Zinsser BIN Shellac, but will be fine after the 2nd coat, if you don't prime over BIN. While this method is messy to clean up, it is the least labor-intensive. Shellac on the pink bleed through, before painting another coat of paint. A latex-based paint works best on pressure-treated lumber. The second biggest cause of peeling isn’t this–but it’s a great segue into the other causes. When it softens with water, it has a tacky feel which is a magnet for dust. Just use a regular topcoat, not the Shellac topcoat. I’ve known for a while that you use milk paint, but not until today’s post about the shellac as a “primer” did I really think to ask – what exactly IS milk paint? sorry the answer is no,its still going to peel because laminate is really plastic,and plastic is an oil base product,and paint will not stick to oil,i wish i could have said yes,unless there is a new product on the market today,good luck.Paint did not stick to laminate furniture. The paint still stuck really well overall, but i did get the chipping that i like. Paint over the stain blocker using water- or oil-based paint. See how there are several layers of peeling? Primers which have super sealing properties, such as BIN pigmented shellac, often create shiney spots when used for spot priming. The coat of primer seems to be fine; it's just the paint that's peeling off. Shellac works perfect for blocking bleed through on any piece your going to paint. Again, shellac on floors is not a good choice. When painting over a previously painted piece, i have found that if you spray shellac over the old finish before milk painting,  then you get this amazing crackling! Continuing with thin, fast-drying layers is the way to work over shellac, especially for the initial layers. The shellac seems to get me the perfect chippy look but i still get good adhesion on most of the piece. Now I need the guts to try doing it…. Can I get this chippy finish with regular paint, too? When we purchased the home in 2000, there was peeling paint on all of the walls on the second floor. Apply a thin coat of primer or shellac to the wallpaper's surface using a paintbrush or roller. We are so happy you are here! Simply moisten a rag with denatured alcohol and rub it into the surface in a circular motion. So, in conclusion, i love the shellac under milk paint because it really helps give me that overall chippy look on pieces that i normally would have used the Extra Bond on. If you’re using a brush, lift it up gently as you move it toward the edges. 3. As suggested, we scraped all the walls, sanded them down, wiped them, and then applied KILZ. Once shellac is dissolved in alcohol, it begins deteriorating (more rapidly in hot temperatures). You can use one coat to seal the wood. Now that is a last-century illustration that won’t work anymore …). If you realize you need to shellac after applying Chalk Paint®- that is okay…go ahead and apply the shellac. Shellac; Lacquer; Or, all surfaces with oil-based paint; How To Use Oil Bond. Keep up the good work. I have a piece that is staring at me that needs to be redone and so I figure the more I read and follow your posts the better my chances are at having an AHHHHMAZING piece of furniture :). Shellac Primer Shellac has been used for centuries to seal wood and other surfaces. This is the third piece that I have painted with your milk paint, but now I am a little nervous to try it again. I use it whenever I think there's a risk of bleed-through of some contaminant that's already on the surface (knots, … So im thinking that if you had a really “iffy” surface that you were trying to paint (plastic or a high shine laminate) that it may be beneficial to spray the shellac 1st in addition to adding Extra Bond to your milk paint. https://www.milkpaint.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2-DSCN0405.jpg. You must remove the shellac before applying the paint if you want to keep the paint from flaking off the surface at a later date. No! After a given period of time, we collected the worn samples and headed for the lab. The coat of primer seems to be fine; it's just the paint that's peeling off. I’m not happy with the finish at all, because footprints show too easily. We see over 3,000 women a month asking us why their Shellac is Peeling and what we can do to help. © Copyright - The Old Fashioned Milk Paint Co., Inc. Many other finishes resemble shellac, and to further add to the confusion, "shellac" is sometimes used as a generic term referring to any clear top finish. The sunflower milk paint would not adhere, even though I mixed it with extra bond. Simply paint the sealer on the piece to lock in the lead paint and keep it from chipping any further. – Because with shellac the milk paint has a tendency to chip because its resisting the surface. Just use a regular topcoat, not the Shellac topcoat. YOU MUST NOT PAINT OVER POLYURETHANE like this. Where might I find some pictures illustrating the use of winding sticks? When, how & Why to add Extra-Bond to Milk Paint. Latex will peel varnish badly, it shrinks more in the cold winter weather and literally rips the varnish off the wood. Even if you have started painting your piece with milk paint and didnt use shellac, you can use shellac between coats of milk paint and the milk paint will still adhere fine. Thank you for this…I am new to the whole repainting and learning what works and doesn’t. Just give it a couple coats and it should seal in those old odors and block them from coming through. I hope this helps you like it has so many other ladies. DISCLOSURE:  For the most part my shellac trick has worked great on the things im going to tell you about. Let me change that to this: we used small wooden blocks about the size of an iPhone. Hi Sausha, I just refinished a piece using your sunflower milk paint. I'm hearing that the best way to handle this is to apply a shellac primer to the raw spots before spackling over it to get it paint … You can apply the shellac directly over any previously applied paint as long as it is dry. If it is not, don't just try sealing it, especially if the paint has chips or loose spots. Shellac on the pink bleed through, before painting another coat of paint. Unlike painted cabinets, the glossiness of shellac does not hold paint well unless you prepare the surface before you apply the paint, requiring extra preparation. I don’t have a finished piece to show of this one, but i will post pics soon. Shellac is perfect for a top coat and is super durable. The Zinnser primer is shellac-based and is for laminate, as well as other surfaces that paint would normally not stick to. Removing Shellac With Solvents. So sorry I missed this question the first time! This has worked for me every time ive tried this so far and i love it! It was purely by accident as all the best discoveries are! Its an awesome product with lots of uses. I use good exterior latex over that, and the only peeling paint I have from that procedure is some on boxes made of pre-finished lumber scraps, some with varnish and some with other paint. I would LOVE it if a piece turned out as nice as your white or blue dresser! When it dries, any dust or dirt essentially glues to it. This 13-ounce all-purpose spray-on primer can be used for a wide variety of surfaces, can be painted over with just about any paint and can be used for both indoor and outdoor applications. What is the easiest way to remove all of it? I have started removing all of the paint just using a scraper. Peeling lacquer, shellac, or paint. YOU MUST NOT PAINT OVER POLYURETHANE like this. If the paint is applied well, then it should last you for several years before you need to touch it up. Shellac; Lacquer; Or, all surfaces with oil-based paint; How To Use Oil Bond. Good marine varnishes are actually softer than fine furniture finishes. You can also get it in quarts or gallons. BUT, milk paint still has a tendency to do its own thing even with the shellac and i cant guarantee that its going to come out like the examples that i have. Say that 5 times fast. Joined May 12, 2011 Messages 96 Reaction score 10 Location Uk. I was applying it over a previously painted latex finish, that was not sealed or shiny. If it isn’t done right the first time–you’re bound to have problems. HTH! I have found with the shellac i get chipping almost every time when im painting over a previously stained piece. I would suggest using BM Aura which is hands down the best paint I've used. After using both, I’d say I much prefer the liquid sealer over the spray version. I was wondering if that would work if you wanted a chippy thing to happen on a raw wood piece. (to see a post about using Extra Bond, click here). Here’s a problem I didn’t know could happen with Chalk Paint – I had paint peeling off in some sections. Also limit individual paint film thickness to more or less brushed on paint layers. Once the KILZ was dry we painted the walls. The pic below shows an antique dresser with a thick lacquered (or shellacked?) Wood filler will take the paint differently then your finished piece will and you do not want to have to apply extra coats to cover any visual differences. Also limit individual paint film thickness to more or less brushed on paint … I’ve also noticed that when i spray shellac over previously painted finishes, it seals in that layer of paint and it keeps it from chipping up with the 1st layer of milk paint. I’ve never heard of this and can not wait to try it. yes – it only will work with true milk paint. Thank you for sharing all of this great info. Continuing with thin, fast-drying layers is the way to work over shellac, especially for the initial layers. If you have a piece that has an old red stain to it that keeps coming through your paint, shellac works really well to block it from coming through. Of course, you can have both: Zinsser's B-I-N primer is shellac-based, and works very well under latex. One of my experiments involved floor finishes. 3 New Sweet Pickins Milk Paint Colors are here!. Here again, a general coat of acrylic primer over the walls will present an evenly sealed surface upon which the paint will dry to an even sheen. Shellac for the floor? I didn't realize it until I had applied the first coat of paint, which scratched off under my fingernail easily. But i know from experience, if i had of just painted this piece with no shellac and no bond, then most likely the paint wouldn’t have adhered as well as it did and i most likely would have gotten bigger “chips” in the paint instead of smaller chipping all over. If i added the bond, i most likely wouldn’t get any chipping. In practice, it isn’t. I’m definitely going to give this a try on a couple of pieces. I had my first Shellac manicure last week and was loving it up until this morning. I recently had asphalt on … I hope this helps you like it has so many other ladies. Finishes that were softer lasted better. Just remember you cannot shellac directly over wax! I ended up spraying some shellac on the spots and then going back over those spots with milk paint mixed with Extra Bond and the paint stuck really well. Shellac primers can be great for painting over trim and smaller projects because it dries hard and blocks stains. Peeling lacquer, shellac, or paint. I’m still experimenting with metal and i only did these couple of pieces. I've only had them 6 days so didn't really expect this to happen, especially not for the price! Simply brush on to seal paint cracks, bind chalky residue and glue down peeling paint. – Garry Meador. Painting Over Shellac Wood With a Deglosser. Try to limit the use of Retarder, Glazing Liquid, and of course OPEN products when working over shellac and shellac based primers. Removing Shellac With Solvents. Not only is it too brittle to stand up to the guff of floor service, it is also highly soluble in typical floor cleaning solutions that contain ammonia. Then, after the finishes were fully cured and hardened, we taped them down to the floor at the threshold of my dorm room. Some of the old shellac is peeling. Naturally safe Historic Paints Stop peeling paint in its tracks with Rust-Oleum® Zinsser® Peel Stop® Clear Binding Sealer. Everybody was instructed to be sure to step on ‘em when they came into the room and left. On the other hand, if you paint before the wood is ready and dry, then you might face peeling paint … I sprayed the piece twice with shellac and let it dry in between coats. I applied two coats and I honestly didn’t notice it change the color of the door at all. Shellac requires denatured alcohol for thinning and cleanup. Varnish can be used to protect, preserve, and enhance paint. The shellac dries pretty quick, so this goes really fast. You can remove shellac with a variety of solvents, including denatured alcohol. That's the best way to see if the chair is safe or not. After I wax it, what would be a good sealer to protect it from the elements and make it waterproof? It goes on clear and dries super fast. Recently I painted floors in some rental property with a Sherwin-Williams floor paint. I’m not happy with the finish at all, because footprints show too easily. Would a coat of shellac over this water-based paint do the trick? – Garry Meador. Once that old finish starts to peel, there is no promise that it will stop. Water softens shellac and overtime it will wear away from the surface. I have subscribed to your blog for quite a while and am a big fan of your work. But the bond in the milk paint along with spraying it with shellac 1st made the paint stick like crazy! Ive been using shellac for a few years now, clear shellac works perfect for blocking bleed through on painted pieces and is also great for sealing in musty smells on furniture. We try very hard to keep our list up-to-date, but, please call the stores first, before going to them, to be sure they have adequate stock. Thanks for sharing all of this great info. Thanks!! If you're going to paint over it, I'd suggest a good primer intended for latex rather than shellac. So it would just depend on the look that your going for. You must remove the shellac before applying the paint if you want to keep the paint from flaking off the surface at a later date. I normally just do 2 coats so i can make sure that i have covered the entire surface. You can apply the shellac directly over any previously applied paint as long as it is dry. Try to limit the use of Retarder, Glazing Liquid, and of course OPEN products when working over shellac and shellac based primers. Shellac as a stain/bleed through blocker and odor concealer. I’m curious to read the answer to Kayce’s question as this is a concern to me also. However, it is not recommended for exterior use, and clean up is more challenging. I have found, if i let the shellac completely dry (only about 5 minutes depending on the outside temp) before putting on my milk paint, then i will get the “perfect chippy” look with the milk paint. If i have a piece that is really shiny with a smooth finish on it, then i use the shellac rather than using Extra Bond with my milk paint to get a perfect chippy and sometimes crackly finish. 2. Shellac really deepens and brightens up milk paint and brings out all the multi-tonal qualities that are characteristic of milk paint. If the existing paint is sloppy and/or peeling I would recommend sanding it before re-painting. Please test on your own piece before doing the whole thing!! If i paint on my milk paint while the shellac is still a bit tacky (over a previously stained piece) then the milk paint will come off in bigger chips. Wood filler will take the paint differently then your finished piece will and you do not want to have to apply extra coats to cover any visual differences. This will lay a first layer of velcro-like surface on which the paint will stick. If you plan on making these pieces over you will have to use a little elbow grease & you may need to bring in some help. Zinsser B-I-N Bonding is an excellent house-primer and stain sealer that’ll effectively paint your kitchen cabinets, including spot exterior nor interior application.. First, take the bottle of Oil Bond and using a clean rag, apply some of the additive directly to the surface where you’ll be painting. Water based primer is the most pleasant to use and the easiest to clean up. I will still keep trying it out and trying new things with it and let you know what i find out!! This holds true for shellac as well. 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